Why the deceptions lies and refusal to answer question put to you?
From crazychristian's aka ldsaint, ctr, latterdaysaint and trueth. Claim that he did not know of any modern church with a prophet when infact his own church the mormon church infact makes just that claim. To bookofmormon's aka whosoever's refusal to answer my first question put forth in this forum about God once being a man and if their church taught this. To the many avoided dodged questions in #topix and #pillarsville.

Why do you not answer questions or tell the truth about who and what you are why hide it? If you believe mormonism to be true why do you not shout it and tell us all about it? Are you ashamed of your churches teachings?

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nova on #topix
the only thing darwinism lacks as a religion is prayer to a god!


"It’s time for a new Reformation in the Church—to call the Church back to the authority of the Word of God, beginning in Genesis."-Ken ham
http://www.answersingenesis.org/arti...4/already-gone

While one can not know the heart of another i suspect the reason for the ignored questions refusal to answer and deceptive tactics is simple. Deep down in their heart the mormons who come here same as every one else knows the truth. But even knowing the truth they deny it in-favor of their own lusts. In the case of mormons they lust after power they want to become gods. But still their remains a deep seated deep rooted part of them that KNOWS that mormonism is false and do to this they (you) are deeply ashamed of your doctrines like god was once a man and you can become gods. And others like God of the bible had a father god before him who procreated him and this god who was a father god had a father him self and on back through eternity in a "endless round".
Now why do mormon missionaries come to preach their message and seek to deceive? Well mormons are taught to believe that they are "saved by grace after all we can do" What does this statement actually mean though. Well to the mormons based on their doctrines Christ only steps in and finishes their "good"works and only after mormons have done all that they can christ will then step in and finish saving them. It was and is a tactic by the mormon leadership to insure a steady stream of full tithe paying converts.

This money is used by the mormon church to further its goals of gaining converts and putting money in the pockets of the leader ship. and to spend on projects such as a multi billion dolor mega mall. The goal of the mall put more money back in to the churches leaders.

The mormons will quote exact dolor figures of what the church has used to help the poor and feed the hungry ,etc. The figures seem huge but in reality are only in the point to very low single digit percents eg .1 to 3 or 4%. And again this is yet more deception by the mormon church to which the mormons who them self are victims of the cult that is mormonism.

As seen the mormons have not responded to my post here or my other 2 questions i gave about 23 to 24 hours on each post and i know that the mormons who come here were online during those times. If any of the nick names listed here of private chatted with you i hope that you realize that they were here to convert you some of whom are Christians and saved some who are not to the cult beliefs of mormonism so that you to would help to promote the church. In the end it is the devil him self who gains in this. He wants nothing more than to doom as many as he can to hell before he him self is cast in to the lake of fire. he works through men like joseph smith who founded mormonism and who's cult has lead many to their eternal doom in hell.

Again remember the mormons are them self victims and if you can you should minister to them and show them the flaws of mormonism.

God bless and please pray for me so that i have the strength when trying to reach the mormons and for the mormons that they may hear the truth and know it.

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Stripped of personification, natural selection can be adapted to explain anything--and therefore explains nothing.
nova on #topix
the only thing darwinism lacks as a religion is prayer to a god!


"It’s time for a new Reformation in the Church—to call the Church back to the authority of the Word of God, beginning in Genesis."-Ken ham
http://www.answersingenesis.org/arti...4/already-gone

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Nova, once upon a time when I was a teenager (around 16 I believe) I was speaking with a couple of those bicycle-riding mormons. I had been saved at the time for around three years, and when they started telling me about their religion I began to ask questions very similar to the first and second questions you asked here.

The mormons at that point got ready to leave and I asked them why they were leaving. I was told that they were trained to avoid disputing about their religion under any circumstances. Anyone who began asking in-depth questions was to be left alone. They were to try to hurry on to the next person who might accept what they said without questioning and thus be "saved".

I told them that sounded pretty shady, and they explained that yes they knew of the inconsistencies, but that man's intellect was unable to understand the divine purpose of such things and thus these inconsistencies must be accepted in faith that they will be explained when they get to their "heaven". I let them leave at that point.

Yeh todays missionaries are trained slightly differently. They are taught to answer the question that they (e) should have asked.

But the 4 mormon missionaries who come here 3 share the one set of nicks and one is a loaner with his regged nick and unregged one.
So theres 3 who share one set of nicks and then the loaner for 4
they avoid the questions i suspect for the reasons you mentioned but also do to the fact o have confronted them all in chat. so who knows. Regardless they are very deceptive.

As i said to them a few times here and other places how can they be so deceptive yet claim to have the holy spirit indwelling yet feel no conviction?

I make no apologies for the way i talk to them. Yeh I know the way i talk with them makes them mad. I also know from seeing 2 momrons get so angry they were spitting out venon filled remarks else where that some times they come to the logical conclusion they are wrong and mormonism is wrong.

Then there is the whole mixed company aspect. I know who they are and what they believe i know how strong my faith is but i do not know how strong nickname657475866675675's faith is. So i handle things differently more confrontational with mormons JWs and other cult members in chat where i don't know every one.

Im actually quite nice to the jws who come to my door. I even trade reading materials with them. They give me their tracts and i give them some christian ones. JWs missionaries are trained and told to never take any thing from any one at the houses they visit but oddly ive never had one refuse my offer. One was even looking through the mini gospel of john i gave her on their way back to the car

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Stripped of personification, natural selection can be adapted to explain anything--and therefore explains nothing.
nova on #topix
the only thing darwinism lacks as a religion is prayer to a god!


"It’s time for a new Reformation in the Church—to call the Church back to the authority of the Word of God, beginning in Genesis."-Ken ham
http://www.answersingenesis.org/arti...4/already-gone

im glad to hear someone is wittnessing to the Mormons. I have had quite a few "discussions" with the Missionarys in lima ohio on Baxter street apartments a few years ago and had a very interesting and reveling time.

Cool im on ohio to
little south of akron in norton barberton area course saying a little north of clinton and canal fulton and youll be like oh i know where that is. Seems like so many in ohio know where those 2 dinky little villages are but norton or barberton they go wheres that ...


But here they don't come around much lol

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http://www.icr.org/article/4352/
Stripped of personification, natural selection can be adapted to explain anything--and therefore explains nothing.
nova on #topix
the only thing darwinism lacks as a religion is prayer to a god!


"It’s time for a new Reformation in the Church—to call the Church back to the authority of the Word of God, beginning in Genesis."-Ken ham
http://www.answersingenesis.org/arti...4/already-gone

Actually, I don't remember you first question. What I remember is my first visit being bombarded with cut-and-paste statements about my religion. The first question I remember trying to answer was about the Solomon Spaulding's manuscript (the false claim the Joseph Smith plagiarized an unpublished manuscript from an novelist of his time). As I recall, I asked where you heard of this. You claimed to have read it and studied it on your own.

I asked if you had actually read Spaulding's fictional novel and made comparisons of it, or just parroting hearsay. You claimed to have read it. In fact you claimed it was on your book shelf next to you.

I then asked who the publisher was. YOU WOULD NOT ANSWER ME at that point. You began cutting a pasting more statements. I repeatedly asked you for the publisher so I can research it for myself and give you are reply. Finally, you told me "to try the restoration library." I googled it, could not find a list of books, and then emailed someone a question about locating the Spaulding manuscript.

When I gave you a follow up on what I had done, you called me a liar: "the restoration library has been out of business since 1980." Before I could give you the link, others verified they also found their site.

You again refused to answer where I could get a copy of the manuscript and also refused to give me any clear answer who published it. I again got on line. Wikkipedia had an article saying the manuscript had only been published 3 times. first by the RLDS church (reorganized Latter-day Saints) and the LDS (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints--AKA: "Mormons"). I again came back to tell you this, because of your previous claim "the church was trying to keep all this a secret." Apparently not if they published it.There was even a link to all three publications. So I asked if you could tell me of a chapter I with most comparisons to the Book of Mormon so I did not have to waste more time--seeing that nothing I was reading was remotely similar.

I have also started to answer other questions, but finding your mentality is not in search of truth, I do not go far. In fact, you are part of the mod-mob who asks questions, then kick me out of the chatroom for "preaching."

I don't op in topix so first i couldn't kick you out. Second Mormonism is not christian and preaching mormonism is against the rules of this server. Even your own presidents and so called prophets have made it very clear they Christ they speak of is not the same christ christians have.

"In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints 'do not believe in the traditional Christ.' 'No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak'" (LDS Church News, week ending June 20, 1998, p.7).

"It is true that many of the Christian churches worship a different Jesus Christ than is worshipped by the Mormons or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (LDS Seventy Bernard P. Brockbank, Ensign, May 1977, p.26 ).

3rd i had asked you the same question 3 days in a row in-fact i asked it basically with in 2 minutes of you coming in the first day. You refused to answer saying "i refuse to answer"
4th i told you the name of the BOOK i have and never claimed to have the spaulding manuscript it self. you changed what i said to fit your agenda. I dais i had books on mormonism and one or 2 of those deal with the book of mormon and smiths theft of it.
The majority of those who will read this post know me a large number of them will have been in topix the night you was and refused to answer my questions or any one else's. So go ahead and seek to deceive some more. Show mormonism for the lie it is by the fruits you bare.

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http://www.icr.org/article/4352/
Stripped of personification, natural selection can be adapted to explain anything--and therefore explains nothing.
nova on #topix
the only thing darwinism lacks as a religion is prayer to a god!


"It’s time for a new Reformation in the Church—to call the Church back to the authority of the Word of God, beginning in Genesis."-Ken ham
http://www.answersingenesis.org/arti...4/already-gone

you are totaly right about this entity. in my opinion, a true wolf in sheeps clothing ! God Bless and protect you, God Bless him !

Nova,

I have a challenge and a question for you.

C: much of our debates are heresay and unprovable. As for the Spaulding Manuscript accusation, you have the ability to post that conversation. I wondered if you would be willing to post it IN FULL, UNEDITED.

Q: I honestly have not attempted to avoid your question about our belief. I have answered that question many times before. I have mentioned multiple times in discussions, and probably in one of these forums, because it has come up amid taunts and under-pressure. To me, you demonstrate an attitude of superiority, not one of understanding. IF I choose to answer it in a forum, it will be with explanation and clarification; yet will I be accused of "preaching" as I have been in the past trying to defend my position and answer your questions.