Hello Graemebell,

You cry out that we should "judge not, lest ye be judged" and you misunderstand it even as you are saying it. We are told not to judge unless we are willing to be judged. The Bible in turn also tells us to judge with righteous judgment. I am willing to be judged, because the God and Creator of the universe came to earth to live as a man, to bear witness to the truth and destroy the works devil---to take away the power of sin and death.

How do you arrive at such a conclusion? More than one response to your posts have taken you to the original manuscript copies in the Greek and Hebrew.

----Yes, and because you deny that Jesus is God.

I don't worship trees. I don't worship ornaments. I don't worship shopping days. I don't worship presents. I worship Jesus Christ and I am thankful that He sacrificed His life to make the free gift of salvation available to as many as would receive Him.

The weather in Israel is much like the weather in southern California, USA. The shepherd argument breaks down, since the weather at that time of year is often warm enough for the shepherds to be in the fields. Anyway, whatever day Jesus was born has nothing to do with salvation.

You claim to question God every day, and have been given solid information in several posts to refute your mistaken beliefs. You don't address them here and you say the same things. It really sounds as though indoctrination is something you yourself are afraid of.

I don't know what other Bibles you are talking about unless it might be the Jehovah's Witness's "New World Translation". But then it doesn't really matter. You ignore the fact that the stated reason given by the Jews for wanting to stone Jesus to death was the fact that He made Himself to be "God".

It matters a great deal. If you believe the way they do, and if you were to die, you would not see heaven.

You don't know me. You know little about me. The fact is that I have spent a great deal of time--a great deal of time investigating what the Bible says and looking at it in its historical, geographical and cultural contexts. Armed with these and other types of information and prayers answered by the Holy Spirit I have come to understand a few things. I will address a couple of them while finishing this post---which to you in this thread--will by my last.

This is your biggest mistake. It means that you are not truly a Christian. It means that you are deceived. It means that instead of going to heaven when you die, that you will go to eternal punishment. If as you believe, Jesus is not God, then you are left to classify Him as a created being. I'm sorry, but the Bible says that only God is worthy of praise. Why is that? It is because He is infinitely perfect. He is perfectly gracious, perfectly holy, perfectly wise, perfectly righteous, perfectly just, perfectly pure, perfectly patient, perfectly forgiving, perfectly loving, perfectly kind, perfectly knowledgeable-----in all things infinitely perfect. Even His wrath is perfect. Compared with Him---the darkness of a single sin on our part is infinitely ugly and more than enough to condemn us----had it not been for Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

You see Graemebell, only an infinitely perfect being could qualify to take away our sins, and only one being fits that description---God. The blood of some angel--or the blood of some created being is not enough to wash away our sins. It had to be God. It had to be Jesus.

Rather, I will tell you. Nobody talks about this much because it has none of the importance that you ascribe to it. The primitive Greek word "xulou" from which the word tree is translated from can mean tree, wood or stalks--as in branches. The translators just chose tree, and none of this....whether Jesus was nailed to a stake or to a wooden cross has anything whatsoever to do with the doctrine of Justification. Men can be justified before Holy God because Jesus died and rose--taking away their sins...or they can reject this gift. Simple.

Thank you. I hope and pray that He will always keep my eyes open.

It is actually the most Christian thing I can do. The alternative is to let you go on without telling you the truth of your error. This would be most unkind and un-Christian of me, and it would also be unkind to those also reading who might be deceived.

This would be fine if you did not try to diminish Jesus by making Him less than He is. He is God--and if you say that I am indoctrinated---then I am most happy to be indoctrinated. As I say, you seem almost afraid of the term. It only means that I have been imbued with knowledge by teachings. I know that I have been happily taught through the Word of God by the power and grace of the Holy Spirit. God uses His word, and He uses teachers. His word says so--"able to teach". (2 Timothy 2:2) Yes, I am most happy to be indoctrinated.

"15 For we have not a high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." (Hebrews 4)

Graemebell, He is not a high priest. He is the High Priest. You don't address the things that you don't want to accept. We agree that "you shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve--yet when I show you that Jesus accepted worship---you pass it over completely. He accepted worship in Matthew 9:18, 14:23, 15:25, 28:9 and 28:17. You were shown that every knee will bow one day---every knee---before Jesus Christ and acknowledge Him as Lord---and yet you ignore it. When we worship the Holy Spirit, we worship God. When we worship Jesus, we worship God. When we worship the Father, we are worshiping God.

One day, Jesus will be coming back to this earth. I hope you will be willing to worship Him as He is.

Blessings,
seekHm1st

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His Word is... sharper than any two-edged sword.

YOU need to read the bible instead of sitting there looking down at people and refusing to accept anything even when it is in the bible.

The word STAUROS was the original word.STAUROS means STAKE.
Twice in the bible it states that Christ was HUNG ON A TREE.
Galatians 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Acts 10:38 -39
How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. 39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:



If they mean He was hung by a rope why were we not taught this?

This is the bible telling you but you refuse to listen because you are set on the false doctrine you have been taught by the pagan inspired churches.

What I am telling you is in the bible.it is a simple matter of looking .But when you look you then answer it by claiming I am a Jehovas Witness as though that is bad.

I am not a JW but if they claim that Jesus was crucified on a stake then I agree with that because the bible backs that up.

You refuse to look at the Hebrew.You refuse to look at the Greek.Instead you read from a bible that either has been mistranslated or deliberately changed.

This can clearly be shown to have been changed.
If that is the case what else hase been changed.

The bible states that God is a consuming fire.
Is that stating God is the Sun?
They used to worship RA the sun god.
Maybe Constantine threw that bit in to appease the pagans in that area.

What I do know is the God I pray to and the God that does things for me is The God of Abraham ,Isaac and Joseph and His Son through Mary was Jesus.

I also know that He has filled me with His Holy Spirit and to pick a lowly sinner like me shows how merciful He is.

But He wants me to spread the truth and I am doing that.He also wants me to tell everyone that the thing He promised will soon be done.

Those who claim they are reborn in the Holy Sprit may or may not be.That is not a matter for me to decide.

But faith without works is nothing and very few will make it.

You hate Jehovas Witnesses.So you are damned for a start.God didn’t tell you to have charity to all men except JW’s and homosexuals and murders and muslims.He told YOU to have charity to all men.He also said that love will cover most sins.

He didn’t say a little love would.
God may condemn JW’s or God may condemn homosexuals.That is a matter for God not you and not me.

But He told you and me and everyone else to have charity to ALL men.To love ALL men.
The time is short and you need to repent now and ask for forgiveness for it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Lord.

The Lord is powerful but He is sending messages to all mankind. Those who see and hear them and act on them are using their time well.Those who don’t are damned.

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Thank goodness you are aware of the truth about the ridiculous theory and conclusion of the trinity, which is today still heavily disputed ! It is in itself an obsurdity, brought about some 365 years after the death of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, by a son worshipper called Constantine and squabbling "priests" at the coucil of Nicea !
I would also like to add that; it was NOT until another ca.225 years after this coucil that the Holy Ghost was accepted as part of the Godhead and the so called trinity. Thus showing that the so called "body" of the "church" had NO Authority, Revelation or Insiration from God in the first instance.(Doctrines of men)
May I suggest you read and pray about Matthew 16: 15-19 and ask yourself and God The Eternal Father, which Church Jesus Christ is talking about ?
Then consider; Hebrews 5: 4
God Bless you.

Hello seekHm1st.

You said to graembell, quote:[/COLOR][/SIZE] Rather, I will tell you. Nobody talks about this much because it has none of the importance that you ascribe to it. The primitive Greek word "xulou" from which the word tree is translated from can mean tree, wood or stalks--as in branches. The translators just chose tree, and none of this....whether Jesus was nailed to a stake or to a wooden cross has anything whatsoever to do with the doctrine of Justification.

I would like to point out that the majority of "christians" that conform to the indoctrinisation of the christianity you believe in, believe the cross is a major part of their worship and therefore Very Impotant, Woukld you agree ?
Therefore, it has more importance to their belief than you acknowledge or your suggestion to them is, that it is not important. Which is to be, in order to suite your doctrine ?
"christians" bow down to, make signs to and upon and even pray before or to a cross ! Do you agree ?
So, who are the heritics ?

I would also like to point out that a cross is a Graven Image and we all know that there is a commandment stating the Fact that; "Thou Shalt Not Worship Graven Images", are you not aware of this ? If you are, I suggest you should warn the rest of the "body" of the church you belong to, or not ?
On second thoughts, you´d better not, or you will be attacked, banned, thrown out of church and kicked off this forum and labelled a Non- christian !

with respect,
God Bless you.

thematrix,

You said:

No. What happened at the Cross is.
1Corinthians 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

My statement to the other user was correct. If what I gave him was not enough for you, let me elaborate a bit more. The word Paul used in the above statement was "estaurōmenon". It means to "fence with stakes" or to "crucify". The reasons the translators settle on the word "crucified" is that it comes from the Latin word, "crucifixio". It is very easily broken down. "cruci" meaning "cross" and "fixio" meaning "to fix upon" or to "bind fast upon". Hence, to fix upon a cross. Because Judea's oppressive occupiers were Latin, naturally their language made significant inroads into the Jewish culture. That a Latin word would have more weight contextually is no surprise. Latin is one of the three main languages in use which caused Pilate to insist it be used on the sign placed above the head of Jesus. It was not some other culture that was crucifying criminals in Judea. It was the Romans, and they had had about a thousand years to perfect this most cruel form of capital punishment. History is replete with detailed accounts of this practice, and it was historically in place at the time of Jesus. The text plainly states it. The Jehovah's Witnesses adhere to this point because they like to say they have a truth which no one else has. My statement remains the same. Whether it was a tree, a stake or a cross does not affect one's salvation. I only point all of this out because it we are to study the word seriously, and have a clue about what it really states. I am satisfied thoroughly that a pillar or stake is not what is in view here. There are people who agree that it was a wooden cross, but then those same people argue about what kind of cross it was---how it was configured. You may dwell on the particulars if you like. I choose not to.

Again, no. I would not agree with your statement. True Christians are followers of Jesus Christ. They bow to Him. They do not worship or pray to crosses. Your statement is not representative of anyone who has submitted their heart to Jesus Christ, and who has a personal relationship with Him. Christians are well-aware of the second commandment. They do not carve or sculpt objects in order to worship them. A cross is a reminder to Christians. It reminds us of what Jesus went through for us. He walked in total obedience to the Father, willingly to the Cross for our sakes. He suffered horribly and gave up His life there, and rose from the dead for our sakes. He is the Truth, and the only Way to eternal Life everlasting. Whether there is a cross in the front of the church, a painting, a stained-glass window or any other reminder of His loving sacrifice the fact is it is He whom we focus on, not those objects.

"So, who are the heritics ?" you asked? The heretics are those who preach a false Christ and false gods. The heretics are those who have replaced the God of the Bible with one of their own, or who have replaced Him with a church. The heretics are those who find any reason they can to disbelieve what the Bible plainly says, and make it say something that is pleasing to their ears, to their own agenda. The heretics are those who profess the name of Christ, but who do not know Him.

Blessings,
seekHm1st

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His Word is... sharper than any two-edged sword.

I find the egg,an interesting creation of God.
The egg has a shell, a yolk and the white.
Three separate parts,and yet all the one egg.
Take the yolk out and send it to the North pole,and it is still an egg,belonging to the shell and the white, only gone North.
It can't be no longer an egg,because the rest of its parts are elsewhere. And it is still a whole,even though each part plays a different role,and each one supports and works with the other.
If a simple egg can be this way, how much more can we, a human being be three in one,as in the image of our Creator?
We have a body,a spirit and a mind. We are three types in one.
All part's coexist together,but the body is buried at death. Separated from the spirit,our soul lives on,even while the body is down in the grave.
To those who have been blessed with God opening their eyes to the Truth,there is eternal life with Him awaiting them,and a new spiritual body to go with the reborn heart they alredy have.
Eat the egg and throw the shell away,the shell is still an eggshell and part of the original egg.
The Holy Almighty God of heaven and earth,can do all things and nothing is impossible for Him.
To not believe that God the Father,Son and Spirit are One,and yet three separate Persons as well, is to call God a liar.
Since God does not and cannot lie,when He says that God is Spirit, and that I and the Father are one,then this must be the Truth,and cannot be denied or argued with.
As it is written,"He who has an ear,let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches." Revelation Chapter 3 : 13.
Emerald.

Hi Emerald7,

Thanks for that analogy. I have heard the egg analogy given before, but never that thoroughly or that well.

Blessings,
seekHm1st

Christianity is Monotheistic. "Trinity" is not a term I would ever support but the proper context is found in the Tanakh and is quoted frequently by Jews. the term i use is Elohim which is plural and means divine judgement.
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Elohim - Plural- means devine judgement.
(KJV)

Monotheistic "Trinity" (Deut. 6:4 = 1 Jn.5:7 KJV)

Being monotheistic (Deut.4:35 / Mal.2:10 / 1 Cor. 8:6 / Eph.4:4-6 / 1 Tim.2:5 / Jas.2:19) many seem to complicate the concept of the (Trinity) Elohim.

שְׁמַע, יִשְׂרָאֵל: יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵינוּ, יְהוָה אֶחָד.
Sh'ma Yis'ra'eil Adonai Eloheinu Adonai echad

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

God here is the * plural Elohim (Hebrew אֱלהִים) yet the verse goes to show (they are also) One. The Lord(singular Father) our God (plural/Elohim) is One (Echad) Lord:
We get more detail of the plural Elohim in 1 Jn.5:7

The plural Elohim (means devine judgement) consists of a number of singulars in which 1Jn.5:7 breaks down into a spacific 3.
3 AND 1/ 3=1- That much is Elohim
these are not to be seperated for the are One and yet we can know them in detail by three offices

Each office is one of its own

Elohim is plural (yet there is only 1 Elohim)
There is only 1 Father /singular /
1 Son /Savior (sacrifice) /singular
1 Holy Spirit / singular


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( * Ex.7:1 / god- Elohim - judge/ Note: Moses was made a judge with the mention of The LORD and Aaron! Some point to this one verse to say Elohim can be used as a singular context when focussing on a member of a power structure of judgement.- with this same context one can point to the singular Yeshua Christ as Elohim)

Exodus 7:1-2
And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. Thou shalt speak all that I command thee: and Aaron thy brother shall speak unto Pharaoh, that he send the children of Israel out of his land.
(John 19:10-11)
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We have the same context of Elohim(Hebrew) in one use of a Greek term (Theos).
Ephesians 5:20 (King James Version)
Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
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We can then compare Deut. 6:4 to 1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost
(Spirit): and these three are one.

Now we see the plural - 3 and again the singular - 1 (Echad)
(3&1/3=1)
From this we can gather that: These Three that are One are not to be separated. Where one is all three are present. These Three stand together as one. ("All for one and one for all!")
An important question to ask is: Why the mention of three?
The mention of three shows the different relations, and or offices through detailed discriptions and titles. This is nothing new. Many in the word are given more than one title! Just as many languages can have differ terms with the same concept. It is vital to properly divide the Word of which God is willing to assist in.
Even the Wicked One has many titles of which when one isn't paying attention they see mention of many when it is but one with many roles.
Now lets look at these three that bare record in heaven as one in more detail (which is the reason we are given the concept of three in the first place.)

1) The Father, Hashem,
אהיה אשר אהיה
Ehyeh asher ehyeh - I will be(come) what I will be(come)/ I Am That I Am/,( Elohim), (J)Yehovah, Yah-o-veh YHVH(Yahweh/ Yahveh) YHWH, God, Jah, El, Eloah, Elyon, Shaddai, Adon, Adonai, Adonim...

*******The 7th-11th century Masoretic Text vocalises the Hebrew term יהוה as יְהֹוָה - (YeHoWah/JeHoVaH).Yah-ho-veh*******

The Almighty Creator is he in whoms Will shall be done. The source of the Son the Holy Spirit and all that is.
John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.(Gen.1:1-2- Elohim)

One is to pray to the Father.
Matthew 69-13 )
After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. (Luke 11:2-4)
Mal.1:11
For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts.
Gen.1:1- use of the term Elohim (Plural)

We as Christians pray to the Father in the Name of Christ to show we embrace his mercy and grace, (the sacrifice) and to show authority over the enemy.
John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (Emmanuel- Good with us)

2) The Word- John 1:14,Rev.19:13,(Is.40:5)
Christ (Christos)- /Anointed One. Messiah/,(Elohim) Yeshua- /literally means "God saves" or "God is my salvation"/ (Jesus), Emmanuel Matthew 1:23 (Immanuel)- /God with us /, (Jeshuah) Yehoshua (Joshua) (J)Yehoshuah, Hosea, Hoshea, Osea, Oshea, Ha'Meshiac (Messiah), Son of God, Son of Man, Lamb, Shepherd,The Light , The Way, Tree of Life..*Melchizedec Melchisedec..........

Christ became our Passover (sacrifice) -1 Cor. 5:6-7, Heb.2:14, Tim. 2:6,Col. 2:16-17, Heb. 10:10-12/16-18, Ps.22 and

Christ became our Sabbath(rest)- Matt.11:28-30, Heb.4:8-10,Ps.23, Ps.37, (Dan.9:24-25), (Jer.6:16), Is.63:14

Christ came to serve as that physical sacrifice. John 5:30 /
**John 6:38For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

(Matt.20:28/ Mark 10:45/ 1 Tim. 2:6) Ephesians 3:9

John 14:7,9
If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

Spiritual Israel - Gal.3:24-29. / Those who do Not embrace the sacrifice in due time will be found guilty according to the Law.

When one is in an ongoing relationship with the Father they are considered of the many membered body. Members of this body are given gifts of the spirit. this is not a religion but rather a reality. These individuals are able to recognize other members of the same spiritual family and also members of the enemy. We are to be known by our fruits. they are able to recognize truth from falsehoods, for they are the ones that feed their spirit with truth and are famliure with such comfort of which nothing else compares. In this relationship one is a part of that oneness which is refered to as the Father Son and Holy Spirit. These members seek to be INSTRUMENTS of the Holy Spirit giving all credit to the Father.
3) The Holy Spirit, Ruach HaKadosh- like unto the wind*****
** John 3:8 **-
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
(Elohim)
You can see the effects of the wind but not the wind. You can see the fruits (works) of the spirit but not the spirit (with flesh eyes).

What else is considered unseen (SPIRIT)?

(heart)Love, Faith, Belief, (mind) Intelect /-(Dark) ideologies,hate,lust...

Holy Spirit- being Truth (devine intelect/ wisdom and knowledge), Real Love(pure), Faith
*Faith-Heb.11:1,3(7)-Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
*Love-1 John 4:7-8 (16)-Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. 8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
Again the Breath of Life - came forth from the Father, it is truth
Rom. 8:24-25 / 2 Cor. 4:18 / John 20:25 / John 20:29 / 1 Tim. 3:16 / John 3:6-7 / John 3:12 / understanding, (Faith is a gift one can embrace or reject)


* The Holy Spirit is present with the Father, The Son, and That Spiritual Family (the sheep) and is our bond through the sacrifice.(Jn.4:24/ Jn.6:44)

1 Cor.15:44 you have both a spirit body and a flesh body. Which do you feed more (flesh or Spirit).
***** 1 Cor. 12:4-14 *****

Note aslo Christ said he came not to do the Will of himself but rather the will of the Father who sent him. He always called God Father showing relation and his will being truth is the Holy Spirit! This is the type relationship all individuals need with the Almighty through Christ. Christ was God with us in this context and came in the flesh with interAction in the physical realm that we may live. Heb.2:14.
This is why we pray to the Father, in Yeshua's name. To show embrace of (the Word (the Truth, the Way, the Light) the trinity.
We Pray in Christ's name to show athority. That athority that was given to whomsoever believes in that Passover and Rest in truth and by the Grace of God.

*****Philippians 2:5-16

Matt.28:19*, John 1:1, John 10:30, 2 Cor. 13:14*, John 5:18, Matt. 3:16-17, Luke 1:35, Heb. 9:14, (Is.7:14), (Mark 1:10-11), (Luke 3:22), John 1:32,

Acts 7:55, Rom. 8:11, Rom. 8:14-17, Rom. 8:26-27

John 8:14-18/ Acts 10:38, John 14:6-7, John 14:16-21, 26
2 Chron. 9:6, Mark 16:16, John 6:33-35

Lets also note Joshua and Jesus had the same Hebrew name. And thus we see the symbolim come forth. Both lead Israel into the Promise Land! The only difference is One was Physical and the Other was Spiritual)

Other suggested studies: The Word is Inspired, The Law, Sin No More?, Take Up Your Cross, Heb.6, .......
Isaiah 1:18 / Deut. 29:29 / Pro. 25:2
notes


Rev.1:8 -which is was and is to come (note the differ offices and relations)
I Am (Note I used two contexts I Am That I Am and then I went on to state God Will
Be(come) What He will Be(come). The context of a language does not change as a result of traditions of men that seek to do so, neither does truth.
When we go to the Hebrew we see the context of both to be (become) and am, it depends on the context of a given message. I wouldn't have anyone take my word for it and would encourage all to study it for themselves.

I Am (Exodus 3:14) = hayah-(be or become)/ Hayah is also a root of "Yehovah" (Gen.21:33) Yah ov-vay / which by some is pronouned Yehovih (for the reason to resist repetition within the name) which does change context based off tradtions of men! (and there is no need in it other than observing traditions of men, because of the context of the scripture)! One way I can mention God is to say -/He of who's will shall be done /over all things/ That is to say the heavenly Father but is not a proper name. However it agrees: I will be(come what I will be(come). I am that I am, He who was is and is to come.

Ehyeh is translated "I will be" many times in the o.T. and again it is proper Hebrew. Example Zec. 8:8/ Ex.3:12

Ex.15:2- 2 The LORD is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him.

Lord here is the Hebrew Jah / Jah is Jehovah in a special sense and relation / He Who Is, Was and Is To Come/ the first use of God in this verse is El and the second is Elohim !

Ephesians 3:9
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

If any are interested in discussing the Name of Yeshua Christ before the flesh we can go there as well!

Wisdom being feminine isn't to say the Holy Spirit is a female just as the angels in the spirit realm have no need of gender or giving and taking in marriage yet are mentioned as the Sons of God. Hiy is to say he, she, it, this or that, and so on so be not thrown off kilt by English translations here either.


Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Ecclesiastes 1:9
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

One can see that we can take part in this oneness that is the trinity when we are in good standing. Those who are drawn to God and embrace God are given gifts of The Spirit and recognize the Father, His Mercy through the sacrifice and the Holy Spirit of truth as well as able to recognize the enemy and falsehoods. Prasie be to God (reason we were created - Rev.4:11).
Spiritual Israel- Gal.3:24-29


-Is.9:6 /1 Cor. 12:13 / Eph.4:4 /* John 16:28


John 5:30
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 14 describes each office of the "trinity".

Lets also note Joshua and Jesus had the same Hebrew name. And thus we see the symbolim come forth. Both lead Israel into the Promise Land! The only difference is One was Physical and the Other was Spiritual)

We need not complicate it but when one does get the details they know they have such revelations only by the will of the Father!
Jn.6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

And then we see in the word how we can take part in that oneness

Romans 12:4-5
For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

Ps. 110:=Matt.22:44
Jn.10:30 -Elohim - Eph.5:20

Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh

I am That I am

I will be that I will be

I will be who I will be

I will be which I will be

I will be where I will be

I believe Jesus was not just God,but rather,Jesus was God manifested in flesh [1 tim 3:16}

Hi OnlyTheScriptures,

Yes agreed. The Bible is very clear about this. It demonstrates that Jesus was fully man, and fully God. This is sometimes referred to as the "Hypostatic Union" of Jesus.

Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Blessings,
seekHm1st

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