Your anger problem requires attention, clearly you are not in a position to debate this topic. However I will continue to show the plain error of the tongues movement in future posts and ignore your problem. I trust God to assist you through, more tomorrow if time allows. If you take the time to really read what you have written you will soon see it makes no sense at all, none. Perhaps you do not understand the need not to read into scripture things that are not there and ask yourself 'what does the text say" just a helpful hint for you. Lets not attack each other lets debate this matter in Christian love. Leave the anger out of it please. I am sorry that you are so confused on this matter perhaps some more study will help.
Every Blessing
Noolie

If you were to enter my home without your face I would say you haven't enter in your fullness. If that offends you then common sence in the truth of the situation is your enemy, not me.

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Greetings to all,
Unfortunately I find myself having to deal with this matter brought up concerning the Acts 2:8 verse, I simply cannot allow this kind of eisegesis to pass unanswered. To build a whole doctrine on a few isolated words taken out of context and then relate it back to creation without even a semblance of any kind of thread at all seems to me to be very poor treatment of the scriptures indeed. So lets deal with this and then we can get back to the issue at hand, that is tongues, and then lets not be drawn away by wild imaginings and rampant eisegesis any more.
Acts 2:8 I post a number of translations to help the reader.

KJV Acts 2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

ASV Acts 2:8 And how hear we, every man in our own language wherein we were born?

NIV Acts 2:8 Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language?

NAS Acts 2:8 "And how is it that we each hear them in our own language to which we were born?

NAU Acts 2:8 "And how is it that we each hear them in our own language to which we were born?

RSV Acts 2:8 And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language?

NRS Acts 2:8 And how is it that we hear, each of us, in our own native language?

NKJ Acts 2:8 "And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born?

DBY Acts 2:8 and how do *we* hear {them} each in our own dialect in which we have been born,

BBE Acts 2:8 And how is it that every one of us is hearing their words in the language which was ours from our birth?

YLT Acts 2:8 and how do we hear, each in our proper dialect, in which we were born?

Why does the plain meaning of this verse escape some people? But anyway lets take a look. The Jews who were resident in Jerusalem on this occasion were to a large extent pilgrims from various lands of the dispersion who had come to the holy city to celebrate the festival of Pentecost. Now even if the word ‘Jews” is an addition to the original text, as claimed by some, certainly it is Jews or proselytes who are indicated by the phrase “devout men”.
Now many of these visitors were astonished as they heard the loud praises of God uttered by the disciples, in inspired language, this rather than the noise of rushing wind is what is meant by the “sound” of verse 6, because they recognized the indigenous languages and dialects of their native lands. The visitors from the lands to the East knew Aramaic and those to the West knew Greek but of course neither of these two languages was a strange tongue to the disciples. The people who heard the sounds on this occasion were not Gentile people (non Jews) but Jews and proselytes, the evangelism of the Gentiles was a revolutionary development, recorded with much fanfare at a later stage in the Acts narrative. Yet those devout visitors are considered by Luke to be representatives of the various lands from which they had come, and representative of the local dialects of those lands. On this occasion the sound of the disciples calling out aloud bewildered the crowd since they could not understand how it was that Galileans could speak in the differing languages represented in the crowd. So what was significant here was that the various vernacular languages of these people were being spoken. It seems to me at this time there is no need to go any further, the discerning reader will understand the plain meaning of this verse when taken in context with the passage as a whole. Ok enough I do not intend to spend any further time in pointless disputes which cannot result in a sensible outcome.
I wish to say to all my brothers and sisters in Christ that what I am doing here in putting forward my views on the tongues movement is not an attack upon you in any sense at all. I will in the coming days post more and I intend to post some questions for the tongues supporters to answer if they would be so kind. Lets do this in love and Christian concern and lets not be given over to anger or unreasoned debate. Also I will no longer be drawn into pointless arguement on this post but do not take my silence as in any way an inability to answer.

May the Lord greatly bless you all,
May the wind be always at your back 
Noolie

Did you speak in tongues because someone asked you to, or did tongues come to you without
you seeking it, and without anyone suggesting you to do it, as in the New Testament?

When you were asked to speak in tongues, did you say "No, wait until I have thoroughly and
completely studied and understood every verse on the subject?"

Do you use your tongue as a warning to Jews to repent?

Do you always have your tongue correctly interpreted? "Wherefore let him that speaketh in an
Unknown tongue pray that he may interpret." I Corinthians 14:13.

Do you speak in tongues to edify yourself or to edify the church?
"Seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church." I Corinthians 14:12.

Do women speak in tongues aloud in your church?
"Let your women keep silent in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak for it is
a shame for women to speak in the church." 1 Corinthians 14:34,35.

Do two or at the most three speak in "tongues" at your meetings? I Corinthians 14:27.

Do your "tongues" speakers speak in turn after being interpreted, or do they all speak at the
same time?

Which spirit gave you your tongue? If you think it is the Holy Spirit, can you prove it? How? And are you willing to submit your tongue to a test?

Did you receive your tongue when someone told you to relax, be passive, blank out your mind,
and let anything come out? or
Were you strongly refusing anything which satan might send you? Did you constantly pray for
God to keep you from everything not of Him when people challenged you to speak in tongues?

Does your tongue ever get out of control, or does it take over your prayer time?

What do you learn more about God through your tongue?

Do people in your church suppress their tongues if there is no genuine interpreter present?
"But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church..." I Corinthians 14:28.

Can you find one Biblical example of a woman speaking in tongues?

What does I Corinthians 13:11 have to do with the subject of tongues, prophecy and knowledge?
"When I became a man, I put away childish things."

Who are tongues intended for, and who are tongues not intended for? I Corinthians 14:22.
"Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not:"
Why were there no tongues in Samaria in Acts 8?

Why did Phillip not lay hands on the Samaritans to impart the Holy Ghost?

Why could Peter and John impart the Holy Ghost by laying on of hands, but not Phillip?
Was Phillip a bad Christian?

Some Charismatics claim that Joel 2:28-32 teaches that today's tongues are a sign of Christ's
2nd Coming. What does the Bible say?

Every Blessing
Noolie

Noolie, I haven't spoken to you out of anger but common sence. Common sence in the truth reveals your condemnation, when you accuse me falsely. John 3:5, shows ye must be born again of the water and the spirit. Acts chapter two explains the spirit baptism in detail. Different gifts of the holy ghost was given to each of them and as acts 2:8 explains clearly it all started with a tongue in which they were born with and that tongue is not a learned langauge, Mark 16:17 says: and they shall speak with new tongues, not a known language, for a known tongue is a learned language that has been here sence the tower of Babble. I'll go one step further and tell you if you don't speak in tongues as in the days of pentecost you are not yet born again. Because you haven't been born again is the reason condemnation rests upon you. The first evidence of condemnation is to accuse others falsely with anger and much aroggence (frowardness) and teach a false doctrine. There are answers for every question you've posted but I don't think your of a right spirit to receive any.

Read 1 corinthians 14:1-40

read 1 CorinthiANS 14:1-40

Greetings to all,
Before moving on lets do a little house keeping. I would first like to thank Jewelflower for her post, in those few words you demonstrated much more than you realize. When I first read your post this morning I smiled to myself and thanked God for your quite gentle spirit which was demonstrated there. In those few words you not only showed a gentle spirit but also a strength which said, I am willing to stand up for what I believe to be correct” that took courage and I appreciate that. You also demonstrated your love for the word of God and encouraged me to read the chapter in Corinthians, I share your love for Gods word, so thank you for that. All this you did without malice of any kind, may the Lord bless you. I have of course read the chapter you indicated many many times and I will be happy to deal with the dangers of not understanding this passage correctly at another time but lets do all things in order first. For now simply allow me to say that these letters to the saints in Corinth are letters of rebuke, they are to a church, if you like, that had got it wrong and I encourage to read and study the passage verse by verse understanding each verse before moving on. Should almighty God ever see fit to uncover Pauls third letter to the Corinthians (let the reader understand) we will all have a better understanding of the error of tongues which so bedeviled the saints in that place so long ago.

Now lets go to the post of RFeasel and lets take this slowly and step by step. It appears that the common sense you speak is not so common and is in fact completely absent in your latest post. RFeasel makes the startling comment that condemnation is upon me and why, because I am not, according to the gospel of RFeasel, born again. How does he know this? He knows I am not born again because I don’t speak in tongues (an assumption he makes without any evidence whatsoever) and because of this, again, condemnation is upon me. I do so look forward to the revealing of this new and updated word of God that you possess, but we as yet, do not. Perhaps you might consider setting up a church somewhere so we can all partake in this new teaching. May I even go so far as to suggest a name for this church, “The Church of Latter Day RFeasel’s”. But I digress. Lets see what scripture says on this, Romans 8:1 states There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus
RFeasel would change this to There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus but only if you speak in tongues

Also he would change Jude 1:4 which says For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ
To something like this For certain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness and do not speak in tongues and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ

In any case RFeasel consigns me to a lost eternity because, he claims, I do not speak in tongues (in fact I speak Hebrew, Greek, French and German, although I will admit my German is not very good). Does RFeasel also consign all the great men and women of the faith to a lost eternity because they did not speak in tongues as he so erroneously understands it? According to his post he must answer yes. Does he truly believe that the only people who will be present in heaven are those who speak in tongues, again he must answer, yes. Do I hear laughter or is it a general cringe from all the wonderful saints both in the charismatic movement and outside of it. I am almost certain that there will arise a saint within the tongues movement someone who will readily admit that this is not their theology. Lets move on.
Now in making this startling statement RFeasel places himself in the position of judge over me, and not only me, he has judged that because, according to him, I do not speak in tongues I am not born again and we all know the outcome of that condition, a lost eternity. I certainly was not aware that we must all appear before the judgment seat of RFeasel, perhaps this is something in the new updated word of God that he alone possesses. Lets again look at scripture and see how RFeasel might change it.
2 Corinthians 5:10 states: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad

The gospel according to RFeasel might state something like
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of RFeasel and Christ, that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
Also
Romans 14:10: But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of God.
RFeasel might change it To
But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of RFeasel

Seems to me that this is the very sin of the evil one, repeated. There is much I could add but I tire of pointing out the obvious to RFeasel. The John 3:5 verse he quotes has nothing, nothing to do with baptism whatsoever, the word is not even spoken in the verse, more rampant eisegesis. The Acts 2:8 verse has been explained above and if you are unwilling or unable to understand what fault is that of mine? I do not need, I am sure, to point out the obvious eisegesis RFeasel employs concerning the Mark 16:17 verse.


RFeasel can blame no one but himself for the deep muck that he now finds himself in. When one puts forward and supports the doctrines of demons this is the inevitable result. When ones theology is faulty, when one propagates the doctrines of devils as Rfeasel has done the slip into outright heresy is a certainty, this sadly is where he finds himself today.

Finally Brother, if I may call you that, if I have seemed a little harsh towards you its only because I desire to bring you back to a sound understanding of the scripture. Surely that is what the scriptures call us to do in love and this is what I have attempted to do here.

Oh yes, I know there are those out there who are preparing answers for the questions I posted. They have spoken to me about them and they understand that those questions are not an attack but an attempt to start us all thinking.

Now that is done we can get on with the matter in hand, more soon.

May the Lord bless you all
May the wind be always at your back
In Christian Love
Noolie

Praise the LOrd I don't have to make the chioce of who makes it in to heaven and why they should or shouldn't. That is God's judgement and NO one else's.

Speaking in Tongues (Glossolalia) Is a Gift of God For You Today!
Thing is it you will be held accountable.This is why God laid it on my heart to tell you one more time.love and hugs